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Quibby wrote: 27 Jan 2023 21:16 Does look very boxy! And all passenger accomodation at the back like the Val de Loire. Great to see! Do you have the deck plans as well for this version of the Bretagne?
Here's more from the Govan Bretagne. These plans are big, so most of them are photographs rather than scans. If you click into them they will show higher res/larger

Govan Bretagne proposal: profile
Govan Bretagne proposal: profile

Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 10, 9 & 8
Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 10, 9 & 8

Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 7 & 6
Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 7 & 6

Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 5 & 4
Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 5 & 4

Govan Bretagne proposal: Decks 3, 2 & below
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Color Line cruise ship concept, by Finn Falkum Hansen. Naming the vessel Stella Polaris after one of the most famous cruise ships of all time (a Norwegian ship, of course, belonging to the Bergen Line) would have been a nice touch.

Color Line Stella Polaris cruise ship concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Color Line Stella Polaris cruise ship concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Color Line Stella Polaris cruise ship concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Color Line Stella Polaris cruise ship concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Source: https://falkumdesign.no/reference/project-3
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hhvferry wrote: 01 Oct 2023 02:16 Color Line cruise ship concept, by Finn Falkum Hansen. Naming the vessel Stella Polaris after one of the most famous cruise ships of all time (a Norwegian ship, of course, belonging to the Bergen Line) would have been a nice touch.

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Source: https://falkumdesign.no/reference/project-3

Was Color Line planning to enter the cruise market? STELLA POLARIS can hardly have been designed for the Oslo - Kiel service?
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Risberg wrote: 01 Oct 2023 07:38
hhvferry wrote: 01 Oct 2023 02:16 Color Line cruise ship concept, by Finn Falkum Hansen. Naming the vessel Stella Polaris after one of the most famous cruise ships of all time (a Norwegian ship, of course, belonging to the Bergen Line) would have been a nice touch.

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Source: https://falkumdesign.no/reference/project-3

Was Color Line planning to enter the cruise market? STELLA POLARIS can hardly have been designed for the Oslo - Kiel service?

They had interest in entering the cruise market yes. Here is a small article about it in German. 
A shame it never went into the next phase! Who knows in the future. 


 https://www.schiffe-und-kreuzfahrten.de ... der/35486/
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I don’t know if these have been posted before but there are some interesting things to see on their website.

They have also developed a newbuild day ferry for Fjordline. So presumably an Oslofjord replacement.

 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/newbuilding-project

And there are also some drawings from the inside of the aspired new Newcastle-Bergen ferry.


 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/project-newbuilding
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VikingGlory wrote: 01 Oct 2023 08:56 I don’t know if these have been posted before but there are some interesting things to see on their website.

They have also developed a newbuild day ferry for Fjordline. So presumably an Oslofjord replacement.

 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/newbuilding-project

And there are also some drawings from the inside of the aspired new Newcastle-Bergen ferry.


 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/project-newbuilding
I love that design for a new Bergen - Newcstle ferry! Back to double funnels! And if you regard the dummylooking thing in the front, triple funnels.

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VikingGlory wrote: 01 Oct 2023 08:56 I don’t know if these have been posted before but there are some interesting things to see on their website.

They have also developed a newbuild day ferry for Fjordline. So presumably an Oslofjord replacement.

 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/newbuilding-project
Here's that concept.

Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design

Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design
Fjord Line day cruise ferry concept © Falkum Hansen Design

I think the timing would support the idea that this relates to the time when Fjord Line were granted an extra pair of departures on the Stromstad-Sandefjord route back in late 2016 (they won four departures a day vs Color Line's two), which was supposed to take effect from 2020. The company would have needed another ship for this - perhaps this was that vessel?
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hhvferry wrote: 01 Oct 2023 10:18
I think the timing would support the idea that this relates to the time when Fjord Line were granted an extra pair of departures on the Stromstad-Sandefjord route back in late 2016 (they won four departures a day vs Color Line's two), which was supposed to take effect from 2020. The company would have needed another ship for this - perhaps this was that vessel?
Doesn't she reminds very much of VIKING GLORY and VIKING GRACE?
 
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hhvferry wrote: 01 Oct 2023 10:18
VikingGlory wrote: 01 Oct 2023 08:56 I don’t know if these have been posted before but there are some interesting things to see on their website.

They have also developed a newbuild day ferry for Fjordline. So presumably an Oslofjord replacement.

 https://falkumdesign.no/reference/newbuilding-project
Here's that concept.

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I think the timing would support the idea that this relates to the time when Fjord Line were granted an extra pair of departures on the Stromstad-Sandefjord route back in late 2016 (they won four departures a day vs Color Line's two), which was supposed to take effect from 2020. The company would have needed another ship for this - perhaps this was that vessel?
It seems like the design was finalised in 2018 so it could very well be! Construction time of 2 years would have meant a 2020 maiden voyage! 

What happened with the plans? Did covid disturb it? Are companies not allowed to have as much sailing as they’d like there?
 
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VikingGlory wrote: 01 Oct 2023 10:53
hhvferry wrote: 01 Oct 2023 10:18
Here's that concept.

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I think the timing would support the idea that this relates to the time when Fjord Line were granted an extra pair of departures on the Stromstad-Sandefjord route back in late 2016 (they won four departures a day vs Color Line's two), which was supposed to take effect from 2020. The company would have needed another ship for this - perhaps this was that vessel?
It seems like the design was finalised in 2018 so it could very well be! Construction time of 2 years would have meant a 2020 maiden voyage! 

What happened with the plans? Did covid disturb it? Are companies not allowed to have as much sailing as they’d like there?
 
This article explains the granting of sailings. I'm not sure what happened to change this but Color retained two ships until they withdrew the Color Viking and now we're down to just the Color Hybrid!

[Translated from Norwegian]
Fjord Line doubles capacity from Sandefjord

From 2020, there will be changes for both Color Line and Fjord Line when it comes to sailing times from Sandefjord. It is clear after Sandefjord municipality has allocated new sailing times.

Color Line has offered a brand new high-tech hybrid ship and has been assigned the 10.00 departure from Sandefjord.

"Color Line will continue to sail on the 10.00 departure that they currently sail on, but they will use a newly built ship, a hybrid ship, which they plan to build by 2020" says councilor Gisle Dahn to NRK.

"They have had to compete on what characteristics the ships will have. It is particularly emissions in nearby areas such as nitrogen oxides and sulphur oxides that have been decisive" says Dahn.

In addition to that, emphasis has also been placed on noise from ships and how much bottom sediment they stir up in the fjord.

The sailing times are final and will be valid in the period 2020 and until 2025.

Gisle Dahn says that he has not speculated on what kind of reaction the shipping companies will have to this decision, but he believes that Sandefjord has been clear during the competition process:

"We assume that the shipping companies will understand our assessment and decision when they see the basis for it".

From 2020, Color Line will only have one ship between Sandefjord and Strömstad, sailing from Sandefjord at 1000 and 1700. Fjord Line must acquire another ship to handle four daily departures at 0700, 0830, 1330 and 1420.


Source: [In Norwegian] Fjord Line doubles capacity from Sandefjord
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Any news of this, we are almost in 2024, seems to have gone quiet.

https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2022-0 ... tric-ferry#

 
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khaines wrote: 01 Oct 2023 11:05 Any news of this, we are almost in 2024, seems to have gone quiet.

https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2022-0 ... tric-ferry#
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Jonsson wrote: 04 Feb 2023 17:06 This looks like it came from a "Viking Line ABC" handbook used by travel agents. These were quite detailed and included side views, deck plans, cabin information as well as service hours of the different venues on board. That Europa figured in one of these handbooks makes sense as the order was cancelled just weeks before her planned maiden voyage in (February 15). Would be very interesting to see more if it's available.
Better late than never, here is more...

Viking Line Europa - planned opening times
Viking Line Europa - planned opening times

Viking Line Europa full deckplan
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hhvferry wrote: 15 Oct 2023 18:03
Jonsson wrote: 04 Feb 2023 17:06 This looks like it came from a "Viking Line ABC" handbook used by travel agents. These were quite detailed and included side views, deck plans, cabin information as well as service hours of the different venues on board. That Europa figured in one of these handbooks makes sense as the order was cancelled just weeks before her planned maiden voyage in (February 15). Would be very interesting to see more if it's available.
Better late than never, here is more...

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Thank you so much for sharing!! Would have been so great to see her in Viking service. So much dirty games got played, it's still frustrating to think about.

For the Swedish speakers, here is a link to an interesting and saddening news episode about the dirty games between Silja and Nordbanken against Slite, which forced them into bankruptcy. After the bankruptcy it even came out that it wasn't necessary to go bankrupt in the end.

For the non-swedish speakers, it's still quite interesting to see the video's!



This link is to a video of a rare model, distributed to the crew that were supposed to sail on her maiden voyage.

 
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A lot of people had bought tickets for the maiden voyage of EUROPA. Silja announced that these tickets were still valid on the maiden voyage of SILJA EUROPA, although they weren't sold by them - still many of the maiden voyage ticket holders refrained from making that voyage.
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Seeing this thread I remembered that Balearia had ordered many years ago two LNG powered superferries (232 metres long x 30 wide, 1.700 pax, 331 cars and 3300 lm capacity) to La Naval shipyard at Bilbao but the order was rejected because of the delays of the proyect caused by the bad economical situation of the shipyard. There was also a design concept made by Cotenaval and Oliver Design. Probably they replaced this order with the Marie Curie and the Hypatia De Alejandria.

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Project to stretch Wightlink's St Faith and St Cecilia.

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hhvferry wrote: 08 Nov 2023 13:32 Project to stretch Wightlink's St Faith and St Cecilia.

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That looks hideous on the plans, I can't begin to imagine how it would have ruined two quite attractive ferries in real life!
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Blue Star 1 and Blue Star 2 as they were conceived when ordered by Strintzis.
Attica (Blue Star) subsequently took over the company and tweaked the way the ships looked both internally and externally. The original planned names were Superferry Atlantic and Superferry Pacific.

Strintzis Lines' planned Superferry Atlantic and Superferry Pacific
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hhvferry wrote: 15 Nov 2023 12:25 Blue Star 1 and Blue Star 2 as they were conceived when ordered by Strintzis.
Attica (Blue Star) subsequently took over the company and tweaked the way the ships looked both internally and externally. The original planned names were Superferry Atlantic and Superferry Pacific.
Having traveled as a kid several times on Strintzis Lines ferries (Ionian Sun and Ionian Bridge mainly), I have a particular fondness for this company and its livery. I always thought it was fitting much better than the Blue Star Ferries one... Unfortunately, we will never see these 2 ships with the Strintzis livery for real.

This post reminded me this sticker I got from Strintzis Lines, advertising their new fleet being built :

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(Sorry for the quality, I just took a picture of it, I don't have a scanner at the moment.)
 
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Stena concept for a 12-driver ro-ro version of the 1974/75 Rickmers series of ro-paxes. The plan associates this with yard number 381 which was eventually completed to the same design as the other three and in 1987 became the Sardinia Vera, which name she retains today.

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Naval architects at the Croatian consulting firm, Yacht Design, has listed what appears to be a an alternative version of Color Hybrid in their portfolio. The concept ship measures 163.9m x 28m and is designed to carry 1900pax + 480 cars. Apart from the vessel differing entirely from the actual Color Hybrid in terms of form and shape, her battery capacity is listed at 3.5MWH, approx. 1.5MWh less than the finalized result.
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Given the design being made by a Croatian firm, I wonder if Brodosplit might have been considered an alternative? An article by Skipsrevyen reveals that Color Line initally were looking into Chinese yards for the construction of Color Hybrid, before they eventually approached European builders:
"Da rederiet planla byggingen av «Color Hybrid» så de først til Kina som et alternativ. Deretter ble andre verft i Europa vurdert, før man til slutt landet på Ulstein Verft."
(Source: https://www.skipsrevyen.no/viser-det-be ... tri/177559)
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Uploaded by mr Evangelos Tzardis at Arxipelagos fb group. It was at Posidonia 92 expo .
the name was Magna Star I and as shipyard Samsung ? From the name seems to be Panagopoulos?
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PetranPireotis wrote: 02 Dec 2023 09:01 ImageUploaded by mr Evangelos Tzardis at Arxipelagos fb group. It was at Posidonia 92 expo .
the name was Magna Star I and as shipyard Samsung ? From the name seems to be Panagopoulos?
 
Looks vaguely like a larger version of the first Olau pair so maybe a Seebeckwerft project?

Which would make sense if it's a Panagopoulos thing as that was the yard which built the first two Superfast.

Edit: except you do say the yard was Samsung!
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Interesting design for Wasa Line, probably Aurora Botnia in an early stage.

https://deltamarin.com/references/nlc-ferry/


ps: On the Facebook site Ferryvolution, a design is shared for a methanol Newcastle-IJmuiden ferry. They mention it’s a proper design although I think fan made is more likely, can someone find it and share? I don’t know how that works.
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