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Minoan's three main Cretan ships are beginning their refit turns with the Knossos Palace going off service first leaving the Kydon Palace and Festos Palace in service.
The Piraeua-Chania schedule therefore returns to its usual winter format, as an extension of the company's main route via Heraklion i.e. Piraeus-Heraklion-Chania overnight and v-v. This year the extensions aren't even daily. More intense/direct operations return in the build up to Christmas before dropping back to sailing via Heraklion again in January and beyond.
For some reason this year this switch has provoked some public news/commentary, as if people were somehow previously blind to how Grimaldi-Minoan have, since they entered the Chania market, always treated its traffic as secondary to that for Heraklion. In summer there is good money to be made but their presence in Chania year round is still in many ways a spoiler to the established daily direct ANEK-Blue Star service. It will be interesting to see how Chanians feel and behave when their once-beloved community ferry company ANEK is absorbed into the Attica group. I doubt they will ever really take to a Heraklion company (Minoan) owned by Italians (Grimaldi) - but ultimately for many, locals as well as tourists, pricing and timetabling will be the decisive factors.
The Piraeua-Chania schedule therefore returns to its usual winter format, as an extension of the company's main route via Heraklion i.e. Piraeus-Heraklion-Chania overnight and v-v. This year the extensions aren't even daily. More intense/direct operations return in the build up to Christmas before dropping back to sailing via Heraklion again in January and beyond.
For some reason this year this switch has provoked some public news/commentary, as if people were somehow previously blind to how Grimaldi-Minoan have, since they entered the Chania market, always treated its traffic as secondary to that for Heraklion. In summer there is good money to be made but their presence in Chania year round is still in many ways a spoiler to the established daily direct ANEK-Blue Star service. It will be interesting to see how Chanians feel and behave when their once-beloved community ferry company ANEK is absorbed into the Attica group. I doubt they will ever really take to a Heraklion company (Minoan) owned by Italians (Grimaldi) - but ultimately for many, locals as well as tourists, pricing and timetabling will be the decisive factors.
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Finally Fast Ferries have 'fessed up -
PIRAEUS – CYCLADES ISLANDS – HERAKLION (CRETE)
Fast Ferries welcomes the cooperation with Minoan Lines. Both operators aiming in the continuous improvement of high-standard ferry services which they have been providing for a number of years to their customers. The cooperation philosophy is based by offering to passengers an itinerary program from Piraeus to Cyclades – Heraklion, and vice versa with daily departures.
Both operators with combined routes provide a trustworthy itinerary program for fast and safe connection to the Cyclades islands with Piraeus, Heraklion and the island hoping services, with up to 56 island connections. Services are offered with the most luxurious high speed vessels, the HSC Thunder and the HSC Santorini Palace
SCHEDULES
Piraeus – Heraklion (Crete)
SHIP: HSC SANTORINI PALACE
Every Monday from Piraeus 09:00 to Syros – Mykonos – Paros – Naxos – Santorini (Thira) – Heraklion.
Every Tuesday from Heraklion 09:00 to Santorini (Thira) – Naxos – Paros – Mykonos – Syros – Piraeus.
Every Thursday, Saturday from Piraeus 09:00 to Mykonos – Paros – Santorini (Thira) – Heraklion.
Every Friday, Sunday from Heraklion 09:00 to Santorini (Thira) – Paros – Mykonos – Piraeus.
SHIP: HSC THUNDER
Every Tuesday , Friday, Sunday from Piraeus at 09:00 to Syros – Mykonos – Paros – Ios – Santorini (Thira) – Heraklion.
Every Monday, Thursday, Saturday from Heraklion at 07:00 to Santorini (Thira) – Ios – Paros – Mykonos – Syros – Piraeus.
Every Wednesday from 5/7 till 30/8 from Heraklion at 07:00 to Santorini (Thira) – Paros – Mykonos (round trip).
Link: Fast Ferries - Co-operation with Minoan Lines
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Minoan Lines have now reciprocated.
And they have not just included the fast ferry Thunder from the shared operation but also provide details of the full Fast Ferries fleet from their main route, Rafina-Andros-Tinos-Mykonos(-Naxos); perhaps that is a hint at some future closer alignment. At the moment there is no sign of this route appearing in Minoan's booking engine.
Full link:
https://www.minoan.gr/en/fast-ferries
And they have not just included the fast ferry Thunder from the shared operation but also provide details of the full Fast Ferries fleet from their main route, Rafina-Andros-Tinos-Mykonos(-Naxos); perhaps that is a hint at some future closer alignment. At the moment there is no sign of this route appearing in Minoan's booking engine.
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https://www.minoan.gr/en/fast-ferries
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According to mononews.gr Grimaldi is to announce 2 vessels for Minoan Lines in next 2-3 days which will be deployed either in Greece or in Adriatic . Also it is examined the Crete Italy route to open again
https://www-mononews-gr.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
https://www-mononews-gr.translate.goog/ ... r_pto=wapp
Shipspotting in Piraeus since 2011 : www.piraeuships.eu
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The indications so far today rather go counter to the idea of Grimaldi putting more ships into Greece but let's see what else comes out.
But the first bit of news is a great win for Attica (assuming it's not part of a quid pro quo): Grimaldi have requested not to perform their Piraeus-Chania line this summer. It's long been a "spoiler" of the long-established ANEK (now ANEK-Blue Star) route. It looks like Grimaldi need the ship, the Kydon Palace, elsewhere rather than in this relatively unprofitable diversion.
They may well say it is "temporary" but "temporarily" not running a route during the summer peak is an odd way of running a ferry route that only really has enough traffic in winter for one operator.
During the winter Minoan run a triangular Piraeus-Heraklion-Chania route, using two ships rather than three to cover both the Chania and Heraklion routes. With obviously elongated Chania crossing times compared to Attica's direct route. And perhaps this is what will return in October. But using just the two Heraklion ships in summer on such an operation would not work: whereas they sail almost entirely overnight in winter (i.e. a round trip every 48 hours), during the peak season especially at weekends they frequently make round trips in 24 hours. Given the sailing times involved continuing on to Chania from Heraklion would mess this up - and the Heraklion route is Minoan's Sacred Cow.
[Translated from Greek]
Minoan Lines: Request to postpone the execution of routes in Chania until October 2023 Minoan Lines have submitted a request to the Ministry of Shipping and Island Policy not to run the route to and from Chania until October 31, 2023. According to information from newmoney.gr, the KYDON PALACE will be rerouted to the Adriatic under the management of Minoan with a Greek flag and Greek crews. It has not yet been decided which line it will be rerouted to.
"The request is for the temporary non-execution of the route to Chania" Minoan executives point out in discussions with officials of the ministry.
Minoan is awaiting the approval of the HNA. Circles of the Group make it clear that Minoan is under no circumstances abandoning the line, but under the current circumstances it was decided that there is no reason to have a ship scheduled there while the needs in the Adriatic increase.
Turning to the general picture of Greek shipping, the developments in 2023 are awaited with interest since there are open fronts that will cause traffic jams in the itineraries as well. As Emanuel Grimaldi said yesterday exclusively to newmoney, ""We are interested in strengthening our position in Greece, as we do all over the world" to add: "We are very interested in growing our business activity in the Mediterranean. We have TransMed in Spain, Grimaldi in Italy and Minoika in Greece."
[In Greek] Minoan Lines: Request to postpone the execution of routes to Chania
But the first bit of news is a great win for Attica (assuming it's not part of a quid pro quo): Grimaldi have requested not to perform their Piraeus-Chania line this summer. It's long been a "spoiler" of the long-established ANEK (now ANEK-Blue Star) route. It looks like Grimaldi need the ship, the Kydon Palace, elsewhere rather than in this relatively unprofitable diversion.
They may well say it is "temporary" but "temporarily" not running a route during the summer peak is an odd way of running a ferry route that only really has enough traffic in winter for one operator.
During the winter Minoan run a triangular Piraeus-Heraklion-Chania route, using two ships rather than three to cover both the Chania and Heraklion routes. With obviously elongated Chania crossing times compared to Attica's direct route. And perhaps this is what will return in October. But using just the two Heraklion ships in summer on such an operation would not work: whereas they sail almost entirely overnight in winter (i.e. a round trip every 48 hours), during the peak season especially at weekends they frequently make round trips in 24 hours. Given the sailing times involved continuing on to Chania from Heraklion would mess this up - and the Heraklion route is Minoan's Sacred Cow.
[Translated from Greek]
Minoan Lines: Request to postpone the execution of routes in Chania until October 2023 Minoan Lines have submitted a request to the Ministry of Shipping and Island Policy not to run the route to and from Chania until October 31, 2023. According to information from newmoney.gr, the KYDON PALACE will be rerouted to the Adriatic under the management of Minoan with a Greek flag and Greek crews. It has not yet been decided which line it will be rerouted to.
"The request is for the temporary non-execution of the route to Chania" Minoan executives point out in discussions with officials of the ministry.
Minoan is awaiting the approval of the HNA. Circles of the Group make it clear that Minoan is under no circumstances abandoning the line, but under the current circumstances it was decided that there is no reason to have a ship scheduled there while the needs in the Adriatic increase.
Turning to the general picture of Greek shipping, the developments in 2023 are awaited with interest since there are open fronts that will cause traffic jams in the itineraries as well. As Emanuel Grimaldi said yesterday exclusively to newmoney, ""We are interested in strengthening our position in Greece, as we do all over the world" to add: "We are very interested in growing our business activity in the Mediterranean. We have TransMed in Spain, Grimaldi in Italy and Minoika in Greece."
[In Greek] Minoan Lines: Request to postpone the execution of routes to Chania
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Well, these are really very bad news, as KYDON PALACE was running all the time (especially during summer months) full of load (it was not possible to find a ticket for this ship for e.g. August if you start searching e.g. on June)... Let's hope that logic will prevail and KYDON PALACE will continue its daily "adventure" in Chania (my home town)! Or, that a subsidiary - e.g. the sister ship Cruise Bonaria (ex-Knossos Palace) or even the other ex Minoan Lines ships that Grimaldi currently posses (e.g. Cruise Smeralda (ex-Ikarus Palace) or Zeus Palace (ex Prometheus)) - will be found soon for it!
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Is that right? I've never had difficulty booking any ship on the Chania route, even before there was competition. Cabins might sell out I suppose. One thing is certain, unless there is a secret agreement between Grimaldi and Attica they wouldn't make this move if it didn't involve them making more money by using the ship elsewhere.
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The request to take the Kydon Palace off the Piraeus-Chania route has been submitted as is on the agenda of the meeting of the Council for Coastal Transport this Friday.
Translated from Greek: NON-EXECUTION OF "KYDON PALACE" ROUTES FROM 02-03-23 TO 31-10-23
The full agenda in Greek (Kydon Palace is item 32): https://www.hcg.gr/documents/5767/HmerD ... 240223.pdf
Translated from Greek: NON-EXECUTION OF "KYDON PALACE" ROUTES FROM 02-03-23 TO 31-10-23
The full agenda in Greek (Kydon Palace is item 32): https://www.hcg.gr/documents/5767/HmerD ... 240223.pdf
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Good morning,
Are there any news about the two ships that Grimaldi is going to bring in Greece for Minoan Lines (after the withdrawal of KYDON PALACE from the Piraeus-Chania line and its placement on the Adriatic lines)?
Are there any news about the two ships that Grimaldi is going to bring in Greece for Minoan Lines (after the withdrawal of KYDON PALACE from the Piraeus-Chania line and its placement on the Adriatic lines)?
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As far as I know, Grimaldi/Minoan have not submitted any request to bring 2 ships to any route in Greece. I haven't noticed such request yet on the agenda of the meetings of the Council for Coastal Transport this year.
And there is a meeting tomorrow but only 2 items on the agenda.
1. The proposed schedule of the Nissos Aegina in the Saronic Gulf for the summer.
2. The tender for the Dodekanesos route Kalymnos-Samos (possible replacement of the Nissos Kalymnos)
And there is a meeting tomorrow but only 2 items on the agenda.
1. The proposed schedule of the Nissos Aegina in the Saronic Gulf for the summer.
2. The tender for the Dodekanesos route Kalymnos-Samos (possible replacement of the Nissos Kalymnos)
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Well, I was referring to this article: https://www.mononews.gr/business/shippi ... gkrimalnti (in Greek), of February 9, 2023, according to which:
Within the next three days, Minoan Lines is expected to announce the acquisition of two ships, which will most likely be launched both domestically and on Italian lines, while it is also planned to connect Crete directly with Italian ports, as was previously tested.
The ships will be routed under the Minoan Lines brand.
(translation from Greek)
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Grimaldi media statements are not generally to be taken at face value.
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Speaking at the Let Expo exhibition held in Verona, the Commercial Director of Grimaldi Euromed, Guido Grimaldi, announced that a fourth ro-ro ship has been deployed by the company on the maritime link offered between North Adriatic, Southern Italy and Greece.
More specifically, the ports of Venice, Bari and Patras are now linked with four ferries, offering six sailings per week. Each ro-ro unit has a capacity to transport up to 250 trailers each.
A second ship on this line had been deployed by Grimaldi in 2016 and the third in 2021. Now it’s time for the fourth vessel.
More specifically, the ports of Venice, Bari and Patras are now linked with four ferries, offering six sailings per week. Each ro-ro unit has a capacity to transport up to 250 trailers each.
A second ship on this line had been deployed by Grimaldi in 2016 and the third in 2021. Now it’s time for the fourth vessel.
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Four ships on that service ought to be able to run at least eight round trips a week. Yet there's only four or five trips I think according to the current timetables. Not even the six they claim.Greekferryadept wrote: ↑17 Mar 2023 10:39 Speaking at the Let Expo exhibition held in Verona, the Commercial Director of Grimaldi Euromed, Guido Grimaldi, announced that a fourth ro-ro ship has been deployed by the company on the maritime link offered between North Adriatic, Southern Italy and Greece.
More specifically, the ports of Venice, Bari and Patras are now linked with four ferries, offering six sailings per week. Each ro-ro unit has a capacity to transport up to 250 trailers each.
A second ship on this line had been deployed by Grimaldi in 2016 and the third in 2021. Now it’s time for the fourth vessel.
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The title...Superfast Ferries 😂
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In her dreams maybe 😁
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Minoan Lines have added Milos to the daytime Piraeus-Heraklion and daytime Heraklion-Piraeus route on most sailings between 29 June and 3 September.
https://ellinikiaktoploia.net/minoan-li ... -irakleio/
https://ellinikiaktoploia.net/minoan-li ... -irakleio/
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Wonderful ferry, at least in 2019, when I took her from Iraklion to Peiraeus. I fear that the Grimaldi ownership won't do Minoan Lines any good.
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What about the plans of Grimaldi to reinforce the Minoan Lines fleet?? Are there any 'news' on that or just 'big words'??
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Well, new ferries being built during Grimaldi ownership will hardly be as comfortable as the nice Minoan ships of today, so enjoy them as long as they last!
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Emanuele Grimaldi: Decided to renew Minoan Lines fleet with Ro-Pax ships
MINOAN LINES has set as a strategic priority the development of the PIRAEUS-HERAKLION line , where it all began, as well as the renewal of its fleet, in conjunction with the expected assignment and exploitation of the port of Heraklion, in a joint venture with Grimaldi Euromed Spa.
According to sources, the renewal will be done with new ships that will be built by the Group. This is a Ro-Pax /passenger - vehicle ferry although not yet clarified if there will be, in the first phase, more than two.
"Competition with the Attica group will enter a new era" comment shipping circles.
Link to news item: https://www.newmoney.gr/roh/palmos-oikonomias/nautilia/emanouel-grimaldi
MINOAN LINES has set as a strategic priority the development of the PIRAEUS-HERAKLION line , where it all began, as well as the renewal of its fleet, in conjunction with the expected assignment and exploitation of the port of Heraklion, in a joint venture with Grimaldi Euromed Spa.
According to sources, the renewal will be done with new ships that will be built by the Group. This is a Ro-Pax /passenger - vehicle ferry although not yet clarified if there will be, in the first phase, more than two.
"Competition with the Attica group will enter a new era" comment shipping circles.
Link to news item: https://www.newmoney.gr/roh/palmos-oikonomias/nautilia/emanouel-grimaldi
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Ok, finally something new !
Positive:
- He is speaking about 2 new (i guess) big RoPax-Ferries
So the newest then to Crete and the older to the Adria or Spain ?
- He is speaking about "bigger growing cruise-business".
Lets hope that there will be also "cruise-elements" on the new ferries.
Negative:
- The port of Heraklion owns now Minoan Lines or what please ?
- Does they not need more than 2 new-buildings in the next years ?
A bigger series could mean lower construction-prices per unit.
Positive:
- He is speaking about 2 new (i guess) big RoPax-Ferries
So the newest then to Crete and the older to the Adria or Spain ?
- He is speaking about "bigger growing cruise-business".
Lets hope that there will be also "cruise-elements" on the new ferries.
Negative:
- The port of Heraklion owns now Minoan Lines or what please ?
- Does they not need more than 2 new-buildings in the next years ?
A bigger series could mean lower construction-prices per unit.