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MarkoPolo wrote: 14 May 2023 21:13
Seashore wrote: 14 May 2023 14:03 ...and the right ship to do some Dublin-Cherbourg with WB Yeats...

Hmm, does she have enough cabins for such a route? She is designed as a day ferry. 
And I hope IF will open the sun deck above for public. 
She has more cabin berths than the Epsilon so should be fine on that route.
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Freight is Irish Ferries’s priority too, they’d be commercially reckless if it wasn’t, as well as being detached from reality. Ulysses is all about freight because she brought nothing to the route that Inishmore didn’t already except a doubling of freight capacity, Holyhead generally is has a very strong freight bias being the second largest accompanied freight port in the U.K. (after Dover) and hence why Epsilon had such a long, successful run. They might have opted for a ship with more lane metres, there’s just not one available to them right now.

It seems that the naming policy is literary on the Irish Sea and Isles in Dover; when Epsilon goes there is a gap that will need to be filled. Holyhead-Dublin gets exceptionally busy on certain festive sailings and in recent years they swapped WB Years onto it (switched with Epsilon) to cope with the demand.

NI Ferry report she’s likely to be going to Holyhead, which pretty much means they have information that she will. The only other remotely suitable vessel IF have for Holyhead is Isle of Inishmore but she has 2060 lane metres which is just too much of a drop post Epsilon.

I think, and very open to being proved wrong, that the press release is laying ground work for something else; not with passengers but their investors. Epsilon can carry 5,720 lane metres each way whilst Oscar Wilde is 4,760 so 17% less. The thought of stretching here is unlikely due to time out of service, cost vs return and IF’s zero experience with that sort of technical operation. Instead, should freight increase on IF, they could run Oscar Wilde fast on three round trips at certain times of the year thus taking 25% more freight than Epsilon could and dispose of Dublin Swift for the right price. The increased passenger capacity of Oscar Wilde means she could easily accommodate Swift’s passengers. They got a very good price for Jonathan Swift, would not be surprised to see gas-guzzler Dublin Swift go so that they can exercise the option to buy Oscar Wilde… if IF decide Oscar Wilde is the ship for them. The fuel OW uses going fast will increase but they sell off a ship, reduce the number of crew needed whilst making their current crew work harder (seeks to be the IF way), and probably overall reduction in port dues. All that whilst removing the more unreliable, by weather but also technically, Dublin Swift and having the option to sell freight space for a slight speed premium (if the hauliers would pay it!) on a shorter length crossing. That press release mirrors the tone Stena had when withdrawing the three HSS services from the UK, I think Oscar Wilde next year sees off the last remaining dedicated non-offshore island fast ferry from the UK.
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Enough talk about Dublin-Cherbourg route for this new ferry. What about the old Oscar Wilde journey Rosslare to Cherbourg now the motorway almost reaches the sunny South East - far more pleasant a departure port than Dublin.
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Unlikely one would think, for a number of reasons.

Firstly logistical and economical, if she’s in Epsilon’s place then sailing her either empty or loaded and stopping off at Rosslare will increase journey times and port fees. She won’t be based in Rosslare from this winter by all accounts.

Secondly she has 560 berths in 134 cabins, the likelihood is that her French runs, if she does do them, are likely to be passenger capacity restricted and she’ll mostly be moving freight. Like Epsilon still be taking some passengers but the mainstay of the route would be WB Yeats. They’re not going to want to damage the “Dublin-Cherbourg brand” operated by their flagship by running a secondary route and thus essentially competing with themselves.

Thirdly the proverbial ship has sailed. When they pulled out of Rosslare-Cherbourg/Roscoff we’ve since since seen Stena double departures on the Cherbourg route and now introducing Stena Vision, we’ve seen Brittany Ferries start up Rosslare-Cherbourg now with an e-flexer, and Brittany Ferries have doubled departures on Cork-Roscoff by adding Armorique to the route as well as opening Rosslare-Le Havre. If IF ran Rosslare-Cherbourg again then they will be going up directly against the 7 weekly departures that Stena/BF run and thus would have the price compared with those operators. If IF have managed to increase their price sailing from Dublin, and by accounts on this site then they have, operating one route at a lower price from Rosslare against WBY going from Dublin makes little commercial sense.

Finally it’s not all about passengers, and whilst the Dublin area is disproportionately huge within the demographics of Ireland - it’s like 18m people living in Liverpool or 21m living in Hamburg but our overall populations remaining the same - freight is what WBY was built to move lots of and why with the exception of the season Cork route most of the routes are freight first. From Dublin there’s freight ferries also sailing to the continent from Cobelfret, IF are not going to want to reduce their 4 weekly sailings from Dublin by spreading the traffic onto different routes.
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Oscar Wilde has left Rosslare and is heading for Belfast.
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marsav68 wrote: 15 May 2023 15:46 Oscar Wilde has left Rosslare and is heading for Belfast.
She did a Rosslare-Pembroke-Rosslare round trip in between to try the berth on the Welsh side. Not sure why she went back into Rosslare afterwards rather than proceeding directly to Belfast. Maybe killing time, maybe they needed to tweak something as part of the trials.
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hhvferry wrote: 15 May 2023 15:52
marsav68 wrote: 15 May 2023 15:46 Oscar Wilde has left Rosslare and is heading for Belfast.
She did a Rosslare-Pembroke-Rosslare round trip in between to try the berth on the Welsh side. Not sure why she went back into Rosslare afterwards rather than proceeding directly to Belfast. Maybe killing time, maybe they needed to tweak something as part of the trials.

Perhaps to try one of the other berths? It would seem sensible to try all options before entering service, and they may not all have been available for her first call. 
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It looks like she sailed into Belfast, sailed out again and is now pootling around at 1.3 knts - anyone know why?

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Seashore wrote: 16 May 2023 09:40 It looks like she sailed into Belfast, sailed out again and is now pootling around at 1.3 knts - anyone know why?

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And showing Birkenhead as destination? European Causeway in the dry dock. Belfast Harbour traffic is showing EC there until 19/050 and OW arriving at 20:42 this evening.
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marsav68 wrote: 16 May 2023 10:12
Seashore wrote: 16 May 2023 09:40 It looks like she sailed into Belfast, sailed out again and is now pootling around at 1.3 knts - anyone know why?

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And showing Birkenhead as destination? European Causeway in the dry dock. Belfast Harbour traffic is showing EC there until 19/050 and OW arriving at 20:42 this evening.

Oscar is supposed to going into the building dock as European Causeway is in the dry dock.
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The Oscar Wilde has finally been manoeuvred into the dry dock in Belfast in the last few minutes.
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upload on youtube oscar wilde in belfast...
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12345teacher wrote: 19 May 2023 13:38 upload on youtube oscar wilde in belfast...

He’ll be a bit disappointed to know it won’t have green stripe according to the mock up from Irish Ferries.
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Oscar Wilde´s looking neat in her new livery :)
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That livery suits her surprisingly well. Gives an idea what the DFDS cote twins might look like in Irish colours…
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Oscar Wilde emerged from dry dock earlier today.



A busy day at @BelfastHarbour.
@Irish_Ferries OSCAR WILDE [II] moving from the Belfast Building Dock @HarlandWolffplc to the Ship Repair Quay.
@StenaLine’s @StenaLineUKIE’s STENA SUPERFAST VII & STENA SUPERFAST VIII meet in Belfast Lough.
#shipphotography #ferries #transport
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She does look good - nice to see she got the full livery rather the blue hull of her namesake Oscar Wilde and the ship she replaces Blue Star 1. Perhaps a sign Irish Ferries expect to keep her.
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Nice photos indeed. It's a shame I can't look at them on Twitter since the photographer appears to have blocked me, which seems very strange since I don't even know him. But that's life I guess!

I can definitely see this ship operating alongside Ulysses, they'd make a formidable pair I think.
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Due to arrive in Dublin today...Dublin Port have her scheduled  for 11:59 at Irish Ferries terminal .
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She has just arrived, berthed bow into the main IF berth.

I'm in the middle of a couple of days in Dublin so went out to the South Wall to watch her come in. She was given a watery welcome by two of the port tugs.

Oscar Wilde arriving at Dublin. 29/05/23
Oscar Wilde arriving at Dublin. 29/05/23
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Wonderful!

I bet she doesn’t get that treatment in Rosslare! All about the publicity photos for their new ship this winter to replace Epsilon sailing from Dublin.
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Another view of her arrival.

She had to leave later to free up the berth for regular movements but is just now heading back into port as the Swift is vacating the berth.

Oscar Wilde at Dublin 29/05/23
Oscar Wilde at Dublin 29/05/23
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I'm assuming that it may have been a day trip for the press/travel writers etc ..if so then that's a good sign that she is destined for more than just crossing the Irish Sea to Wales and back .
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Latest article on NI Ferry today is about Oscar Wilde:
https://www.niferry.co.uk/new-rosslare- ... y-docking/
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